Seeing a few posts about focussing issues and macro problems. Is this a real issue on many X10s or just small sample?

With X10 can you use RAW on the fly (using RAW button) for selected shots when in JPG only mode with PASM modes and with DR increase using EXR sensor hardware pixel pairing rather than just software algo? If not can you use EXR sensor DR increase at all with RAW, how and to what extent?

What has better image quality Fuji X10 or Olympus XZ-1? X10 orb issue aside (in hope of new sensor fixing it next mth as promised) still hard to answer as 1) despite rave reviews of X10 which also chosen over XZ-1 for IQ in dpreview group test, no X10 full review here (pending new orb fixing sensor?) but XZ-1 given rare dpreview Gold when fully reviewed (IQ highly praised) 2) no huge difference in sensor size & CCD vs CMOS has pros & cons on both sides, so X10 no clear advantage esp when considering pixel density of 12MP 2/3inch X10 sensor vs 10MP 1/1.63inch XZ-1 sensor (& X10 EXR only at 6MP) 3) Consensus seems to view Oly glass better aside from debate over which lens brighter 4) X10 DR enhancement seems only available up to DR400% in PASM modes, conflicting comments on if available in RAW in those modes or even in separate EXR point & shoot modes & DR beyond 400% only software algo not EXR sensor advantage 5)X10 sample pics great but non DR jpg crop comparisons here v poor. HELP!

All the orb questions and other likes/dislikes aside why can't DPR release a review based on the camera asit is now. Months after the camera's release and a site, based primarily on reviews, has yet to offer one. If a clarification, or another reveiw becomes necessary a few weeks or months down the road then isn't that part of the product life cycle? Why hold off on the supposition Fuji may, or may not, remedy the issues? Providing the consumer with information should be the main consideration. (I own an X-10 but will be sending it back to Fuji due to the orbs and macro focusing problems.)

I'm not a professional and new to manual digital shooting but I have come to really enjoy my X10. In the 4 weeks I've found no bugs, and I find it actually easy to use once you learn how (bear in mind I'm learning to shoot manual at the same time). I read a lot of reviews of this and similar cameras including dpreview's (Canon G12, S100, G1X, Panasonic DMC-GX1, Olympus XZ-1, Nikon Coolpix P7100). I chose the X10 for it's optics and despite the known issue of sensor blooming which I decided wasn't a show-stopper for my needs. I'm taking a digital camera course and I have as much control over settings as the DSLRs in the class but the camera is not a brick and actually looks very stylish. I think it's a fantastic camera and to top it off Fujifilm sent me a complimentary cable release to show their appreciation for being "one of the first people to purchase and register"!

Sorry Guys.... Mine x10 is simply damaged...:(
Aperture doesn't work - it remains at approx. f8.0 all the time and it wont open nor shut.

Hi Guys !

I've just made a small test that seems to prove x10 (at least the one I have) is cheating on ISO.

It seems that the REAL sensitivity of x10 is approx. ISO 400...
Or maybe mine is damaged...?

Please see and tell me if you also have the same feeling ?:
https://www.icloud.com/journal/pl-pl/#p=02&t=CAEQARoQ6p4qzsbd9Ed1jotiq-5paw==&f=/82J93X7T25~com~apple~mobileiphoto/Public/8C043822-A1CA-4535-95BE-421C1909B74D.jb/index.json

Can anyone verify this using a light meter (I do not have one at home) ?

BR

I own the X10 for approx. 3 weeks. It's a real great camera. Better then every compact I had before.
And yes, you can produce this orbs if you want. It works, when you shoot with al long shutter time, low iso (a tripod is necessary)

But on the other hand it is real as fast as my Nikon D300, it is very sharp, you are faster with the manual zoom (the zoom of my Pana LX5 needs approx 3,5 sec. to run through the complete zoom-range, the X10 needs 2/10 of a sec. for the same). And the autofocus works great. I made a pic with 1250 ASA and 1/5 of a sec and it was realy sharp and well exposed.

My advise is to use this cam in Manual, P/A/S-Mode and swith of most of the automatics (like face dedaction, Auto-Iso and so on) and make photos by yourself and use this cam as a great tool.

Got used to my X10, a little bit...:)
My first impression (1st week) was very bad.

I still keep discovering "akwardnesses" in operation/menus (e.g. you have to disable "face recognition" for a moment if you want to change the size of AF frame) but slowly learning how to use the camera "on my way"...

First of all, most of the advanced features there are obsolete, distrurbing and in "beta-state" of production, I would say.
- "Best frame capture": it forces LCD to be on and I want to use OVF, mainly.
- All the EXR, JPG, Noise reduction, dynamic range...mambo jumbo...only ruins good photos by blurring the noise and then sharpening what is left of the details... I WANT ONLY RAW and no "rocket science JPGs"...:)
- the list is long here...

But with time, I must admit that I am begining to like this camera :)

I am still giving my X10 a chance, anyway...:))

PS. No "ORBS", so far...:)

General information
Please be aware this camera is defective and all / most will have to have their sensors changed. The stock in the shops will most likely have faulty sensors !
Please read later NEWS ARTICLES on dpr "Orbs - Blooming "

So far I think my X10 could be a digital version of LOMO LC-A :)
Disable the LCD, use optical viewfinder, multipoint AF, RAW and NEVER EVER go into MENU.!!! :))

Got X10 few days ago...
Sorry to say that but it is a junk camera in my opinion...:(
FUJI released some kind of pre-production model, I am affraid :(

After just 2 days of using it, I've found almoust 10 different BUGS in menu/operations. (I do have the latest firmware v 1.03....)
Even BUGS reported by FUJI as "resolved" still appear.

I've expected easy and fun to use camera with intuitive operation.
Instead, I got the most complicated camera, I've ever seen..! :(
So many strange dipedencies here...e.g.: "AF" button doesn't work if "face recogniction" is enabled and so on...crap...AF/AE lock button - I still have not found a way how to make it work - a combination of settings that disabled this functionality, somehow...

Please note that I've been using many different cameras for 20 years or so...
I've also had many different DSLRs and compact cameras (like e.g. Canon S90).

Although, dissapointed. I am still giving my X10 a chance.
I am trying to use C1,C2 to bypass menu&buttons....

Well the waits been too long for the full review, and the bloomin' bloomings not fixed with the firmware, so went and bought a GXR brand new for half the price. Couldn't be happier. Probably won't need to look at Fuji's for a few years down the track. Maybe you need to pick up your game Fuji, before you lose a lot more customers. Got some nice cameras but the one I really wanted and could afford is a real let-down-like the customer support.

Are you EVER going to review this camera?

I understand why you waited for the firmware revision but, now that it's out and you've assessed that can we PLEASE have a full review so that those of us who are interest can judge on balance whether this camera is worth buying despite the orbs issue.

FUJI when are you going to sort the ORB problem on this camera out ?

So what's the deal? This review must have been in the can (written) in December at the latest, by the normal preview to review schedule, with the exception of caveat of the orb firmware fix, which will be the postscript to the whole review, comprising 1 short paragraph at the end. The old "pre Amazon" DPR would have had the thing written long ago, come hel or high water. Show some spine and say what you think -- it couldn't possibly inflame the Fuji forum more that it has been for the last 3 months. It' nearly March, for Pete sake!

I agree with most of the comments. The writers of the Manual seem to have had some sort of aberration whilst compiling the Manual. I thought it was just old age creeping up on me but reading the comments has restored my faith in human beings. Anyone writing a small book explaining all the mysteries of the system is assured of great esteem and the publisher of great wealth from sales. So far nothing has appeared but I hope Magic Lantern Guides and others are hard at work unraveling the problems. Fantastic little Camera and the best thing I have come across since selling up my Linhof gear.

Does anybody now, when the review will be available?

I've posted elsewhere about the frustrating autofocus, but I'd like to add my voice to the lousy battery performance. When I decided to go for the x10, I already planned to purchase two extra batteries. That seems to be the right number for me with other cameras. I travel overseas a lot and don't want to ever miss an opportunity to shoot because I don't have a spare ready to go. But, I was disappointed to find that i could only get ~150 shots on one go during a recent trip to Kuala Lumpur. And keep in mind that I didn't use the flash and typically don't spend a lot of time looking at my shots on the little monitor. To make things worse, Fuji doesn't have very good distribution on spare batteries. I scouted all of the major electronic malls over several days in KL before I finally found one shop that had a few to sell.

Love the newest firmware update (1.03) fixes the "sticky ISO" settings.

Wish they would make the manual Zoom button (AEL/AFL) programmable also (or instead of) the RAW button though. All in all great cam in between my iPhone and DSLR.

Please Apple...need RAW support in Aperture for the X10 already!

I am getting the Fujifilm X10 next week. Really excited!

Looks nice, but there are clickings heard from the Auto Focusing (I presume) in the videos people have put up on Youtube for example..

Own a X10 since about a month now. Excellent allround apart from a few excentricities. Just did an extensive series (a "making off") in indoor low light. Excellent results keeping ISO at 800. Amazing performance of EXR mode in those circumstances. Virtually no colour noise and luminance noise almost like grain; not unpleasant at all and no visible loss of sharpness. Clearly remarkable dynamic range. But in normal lighting circumstances I do prefer "old fashioned" A setting.
BUT WHEN IS DPREVIEW COMING WITH ITS IN DEPTH REVIEW ??? Was announced for the first days of this months ! Is there a problem ?

Bought one of these and had problems with autofocusing. Emailed Fuji and after 10 days and an acknowledgement saying they received my email still no reply to my query. What does that say about Fuji and its customer support (or lack of it)? However good the camera is (or isn't) if Fuji has no interest in effectively supporting it they shouldn't be surprised if customers abandon ship.

Another factor which I feel needs to be noted is the very limited continuous frames shooting, once again to deal with a timed exposure. I was expecting to be able to to use the multi frames to take an animation of clouds / storms / stars etc... but sadly multi frame has a limited shutter speed of a max of 4/100 of a second, so not much good in low light or when you want to use a ND filter and take a 1 second during the day another limitation even if you were to put up with the shutter speed issue is the fact the battery has an incredibly short life, even when you turn the screen/focus/IS off
Very much looking forward to the x pro

I'm very interested by this camera as an everyday's one, always with me. My 500D is too large and I can't take with me all the lens...
I've read on the net a lot of pros and cons and I'm afraid of being disapointed compared to the quality of the 500d (even if I'm ok it can't be as good as...)....

So I'm waiting for the review... Will it be long ?

Thanks for your works !

Remarkable results using Raw and Lightroom. After having tested, and apart from ease of use for some, I don't see much interest in EXR mode and none in Scene modes. Also WB while shooting with flash (internal or external) is not perfect (though easily adjustable in Lightroom). DR adjustment works wonderfully well (I put it under the Fn button). Manual focus not very useable. Optical viewfinder OK, but not remarkable. Miss focus rectangle (I use AF-S centrum focus).

This camera has been in the shops for a while now, still only a 'preview' on the site. I would prefer for dpreview to dump any 'early preview privileges' by camera vendors and just post proper reviews as soon as possible once the cameras are out.

DPReview staff: thanks for these samples. Are the full resolution (12MP) images in-camera jpg's or are they recorded in RAW and converted to jpg with an external SW?
I have had a X-10 for a few days and I have noticed what appear to be demosaicing artefacts on the full resolution jpg's produced in-camera, which disappear when recording in RAW and converting with external software. I don't see these artefacts on your full resolution samples and hence the question. I am wondering if the artefacts are a problem with my camera or a characteristic of the X-10's full resolution jpgs.
See this thread:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1012&message=40196201
Any feedback most welcome. Regards

Need a little help...
Looks like this has a 28.4mm lens. Any focal length beyond that is created by optical zoom, correct? Thus, we are actually getting a cropped 28.4mm image with an angle of view that depends upon the focal length used.
Secondly, I read a few comments about DOF that has me wondering a little about expectations. I've yet to use this camera, but based upon the sample images I've seen, it seems like decent shallow DOF in the right circumstances--namely considerable distance between the subject and background and/or camera-to-subject distance. Of course, those factors apply to any camera/lens, but I tend to think this camera gives reasonable results. After all, we are not purchasing a Noctolux...
Thank you, everyone, for providing helpful thoughts. Can't wait for mine to arrive in a few weeks.

Either the G12 or the Nikon P7100 offer great control and options (articulated screens, raw files at any ISO) for 1/3 less cost - and with higher absolute quality - judging by the samples now available). The main advantage of the X10 seems to be it's very fast lens - but with less reach than the others. We're all eagerly awaiting the DP full review on the X10, or at least some samples that really show it's low light performance. Isn't there anyone on the testing staff that shoots at night?? Nightclubs, dancers, even available light portraits - SOMEthing that those of us who shoot low light situations can use to evaluate performance?
Klein's advice is also great -- "hand feel" is crucial and individual for those who actually work with a camera for extended periods. Smaller cameras (S95/ S100) are harder to hold still, and have no way to trigger external flash.

I am seeking advice...I am torn between the Canon G12 and this new X10. I am by no means a photographer but would like to tap into my creative side with photography. Never used anything other than your basic consumer digital camera and would like to invest in a higher quality camera. Can the professionals offer some advice, differences, opinions please :)

I love the camera but worth remembering that any advantages of the EXR sensor come at the expense of resolution even in Non-EXR mode.
So you get great colour , low noise and decent DR but not the detail found in an image from an LX5 or G12.
I'm learning to live with that although sometimes it doesn't matter after post processing.

Dumb question to the other owners of this masterpiece ...
Is there any way to get RAW files when using the EXR mode or is that a contradiction it itself since the camera computes EXR output from "triangulating" the RAW data?
Thx for enlightening me.

have started to use a g12 for candid street photography. Blows me away with what it can do, but does have negatives of course.
The x10 sounds like a fantastic camera- if it suits your NEEDS go for it.
however my needs;
battery life ( i forget when i last charged it sometimes)
articulated screen ( no one sees me coming)

G12 wins handsdown for me as x10 seems not to have these strings to its bow
:)

DPReview, why do we have to use Google to find out the size of the sensor?

I have been comparing images from the Fuji x10 with the Fuji x100 on the 500px.com site. Despite some nice images with bokeh and good conrtrast from the x10, this camera cannot touch the x100 or any other camera with a bigger sensor, so the dream to get top-notch quality in a small package remains unfulfilled - but this had to be expected, the law of physics are the way they are, and the x10 cannot overcome them either.